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"Unofficial" Patient Records - What Might a Hidden Record Say About You?

By , About.com GuideSeptember 22, 2011

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A discussion taking place on one of my listserves raises some big questions that have a potential impact on how we empowered patients work with our providers.  While on the face of it, it seems like the solution should be simple, the reality of complex people, personalities, behaviors and circumstances makes solutions a much bigger gray area.

The listserve is comprised of members of the Society for Participatory Medicine.  The focus of the society, of course, is to promote collaboration between providers and patients.

The original question was asked by a doctor.  He stated that he works at a clinic where "flags" are placed in a patient's record - usually about whether the patient is a drug-seeker (addicted to pain drugs). Further, those clinics have policies that do not allow their providers to tell the patient that the notation has been made on their record.  He wanted to know what we thought about those policies.  Should providers hide the notations (flags) they make about patients from those patients?

First, a distinction between health alerts, and what I'm referring to as "flags."  Alerts might be added to our medical records that tell a doctor to remind us to get a flu shot, or remind a doctor of an allergy before she writes a prescription, or anything else that is related to a health issue along those lines.  Within this listserve discussion, there seems to be no question about whether that information should be shared with patients.

The gray areas are about "flags" - those notations that focus on issues such as drug abuse or other addictions, domestic violence, sexual promiscuity, an explosive temper - more like patient behaviors or personal situations that, by their nature, affect their health.

The ensuing discussion has been quite revealing.  It seems that many practices and health systems do have hidden flagging systems, a way to keep "shadow" records;  that is, notations about behaviors and circumstances that are withheld from patients - patients do not know (by policy) that the shadow record exists.  In other words, there are official records - and then there are unofficial records.

As a patient, I am appalled.  As a patient who believes in collaborative and participatory, shared decision-making medical care, I am beyond appalled.  Looking only through my patient lens, I am incensed that such a record could be withheld from me.

Further, I'm not even sure that it's legal.

HIPAA laws are so complex, and almost impossible to wade through, but I can hardly believe that doctors would be legally allowed to keep one set of records for patients to see, and a second set of records that patients are not allowed to see.  That would be a like a corporation keeping two sets of books - one for the IRS and a second, 'real' set.

But as regular readers know, I make every attempt to see the healthcare world through the many points-of-view it requires.  To do that requires some honest questions, like:

If a patient is a pain drug-seeker, and the object is to be sure that patient doesn't become any more addicted than he or she already is, shouldn't there be a notation in the record that alerts doctors to that?

You might say "yes - that's fair - but why does that need to be hidden?"  To which a provider might answer, "But this patient tends to become violent.  We've had to call security the last three times he was here."

Another possibility:

If a patient is being abused by her partner, and the doctor knows the partner always asks for copies of the patient's medical record, and fears the partner will further beat and abuse the patient if he is upset by the notations in the medical record - what would you suggest the doctor do?

Even with scenarios like these, I firmly believe there should be only one record and that patients should have access to everything.  I am never going to buy-in to paternalism or any sort of clandestine approach to keeping notes about patients.

But I do see where there are some gray areas, even if they are only in the "we've always been paternalistic until recently and how we aren't sure what to do" mindsets of providers. My role in the listserve discussion is to continue reminding these bold providers that their role IS shifting and that this mindset must shift along with it.  Wholesale shifts in attitudes will take a long time.  The members of the Society are way out in front of the pack, and I give them a lot of credit for that.

As far as what we patients can do in the meantime....

Take this poll - and tell us what you think about whether shadow records about patient behaviors should be kept.

Continue to request copies of your records after every visit to your doctor.

And be a little bold yourself.  Your doctor doesn't know that you have learned that shadow records are being kept.  So ask about them.  Tell them you want to see all your records, including any hidden side notes that are being kept in your record.

They may deny such a record exists - and that may be true.  Within the practice you go to, there may be no second set of records, or at least not a shadow set being kept about you.  On the other hand, you may shock them just by asking the question - putting them on notice that we patients are becoming savvier than we've been in the past.

It will take both bold providers AND bold patients to shift this system into something that is truly collaborative and participatory.  We empowered patients must be the early adopters of participation and collaboration, and show providers that we can be trusted to share our care decisions with them.

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Comments
September 22, 2011 at 11:36 am
(1) e-Patient Dave :

Trisha,

You know how strongly patient-centered I am about medical records. Having said that, I think we’re still all stuck with what to do about a truly dangerous person – for instance the SPM member on the listserv who talked about the extreme anger of her drug-using relative whenever anyone dared mention it.

I famously had an outright error on one of my x-rays (wrong gender) and numerous people have told me about mistakes in theirs. I think a patient in general has a right to insist that errors get fixed.

But what about things that are in dispute?

If we’re going to advocate participatory medicine, I personally think we’ve got to help figure out how to handle the tricky bits, and this sure is one of ‘em…

September 22, 2011 at 11:41 am
(2) e-Patient Dave :

btw, in idle moments I’ve imagined a medical record that’s almost wiki-like, but with contributors clearly differentiated, e.g. in different colors, or maybe patient in italics so the difference is clear on a b/w printer.

Providers would add their notes, patients could add their own, and each could comment on the other’s entries.

One outcome of this shared record idea is that over time patients would need to get used to the things providers think about that never turn into a problem. We can’t take such things personally – it’s the provider’s JOB to think ahead.

I’d like that a lot better than the current opacity about credit ratings. I canNOT find out exactly why my rating’s not higher than it is! Ordering the report doesn’t help – the rules are hidden. Of course I’m SURE the people running the finance industry are competent, right? Otherwise we would have had a financial meltdown…. oh wait…

Anyway yeah, there’s the collaborative medical record idea.

September 22, 2011 at 2:40 pm
(3) Sherry Reynolds @cascadia :

FYI in respond to daves thought about a wiki type chart -

Have you ever seen the provider view of a chart in an EHR? What does your patient view include with your health care provider? Do you see the real chart or just visit summaries?

Many of the largest EHR’s like Epic at Group Health already have this.

Actually in the VA in Portland patients are able to enter notes into their charts and at Group Health – the patients had this access before the docs even did (emails were logged in when docs only had read only access in phase 1).

For those of you who haven’t ever seen an EHR in use from the clinical side – it often has a portion for a doc then below that the nursing notes and we often discussed adding a section for the patient.

Currently the emails are in their inbox but are then put into a different “tab” and they may have moved it to the same screen by now at some places.

September 22, 2011 at 3:01 pm
(4) Laurie :

The flags in a patient’s record arern’t there so much for health concerns that a patient can respond to, and they’re not something that an epatient who is respectful and collaborative has to worry about. Flags are for the protection of the service provider in cases where patients are abusive, and not respectful and collaborative. Should the provider not have any warning when such a patient visits? Should they not be able to prepare by having security on hand or taking a different approach when talking to the patient? If you know someone has a tendency to become violent, belligerent, tells lies, etc., a provider can then work with that knowledge. If they’re not warned, there’s a potential for harm to the provider. It has nothing to do with paternatism, it’s protective.

September 22, 2011 at 3:23 pm
(5) Trisha Torrey :

Laurie – thanks for sharing your experience, but I must point out that you can comment only on YOUR experience.

According to the discussion which has taken place in the listserve, there are other reasons these notations are made on patient records, too – like pain-pill-seeker. A pain pill seeker is not necessarily violent.

Further – I agree that a provider may need protection. But I also think (my opinion based on the listserve comments plus many previous conversations with patients and providers, too) that the need for protection is an excuse for comments being made that don’t relate to safety; rather, they relate to personality, or, as mentioned, that paternalistic thing. Those are comments like “patient is obese”.

Some even relate to ability to pay. And you know what? I’d actually say that ability to pay is a valid concern, but still does not belong in a hidden report. I’ll take some hits for thinking it’s a valid concern – but if a doctor can’t stay in business, then yes, I believe that’s valid.

Trisha

September 27, 2011 at 9:53 am
(6) Father Daniel :

My doctor is part of a hospital-owned practice. Flags are used to prevent nonmedical staff, such as billing clerks, from having access to highly confidential information.

However, my doctor always shares such information with me. After all, if I were a drug seeker or a man of violence, I might need treatment. Rather than hide the records from me, my doctor would confront patients with their problems.

For example, he hounded me for several years to quit smoking. It finally worked and with his help and that of the Maine Tobacco Helpline, I have not smoked since May 1, 2007.

September 30, 2011 at 1:57 pm
(7) Kathy :

Can’t comment about the situations on the listserv as I’m not on it, but the two situations you mentioned…why wouldn’t the drug seeker be told that they are considered a drug seeker? Is it a liability issue? Or is it just a hassle?

And a patient that becomes violent three times? Why can’t they been fired from the practice? I’ve seen people fired for much less.

And good for you Father Daniel! Quitting smoking is HARD work!

October 5, 2011 at 3:22 am
(8) Brenda :

Are lawyers aware of these shadow
charts when they requested a chart for
litigation. Isnt that chart they get incomplete? Is that legal? What if information is wrong but patient doesnt know
her doctors are responding to wrong information?
What do doctors or lawyers say about this?

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